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		<description>You know, you could have told me that in Elmo&#039;s....:)

First, let me say that as both a computer scientist and a sociologist (my second, softer discipline I studied while in college), that the statement made in your last paragraph is &lt;i&gt;partially true&lt;/i&gt;.  Right now, the sociological models we have are very poor at describing long-distance network-oriented communities.  They&#039;re still teaching most of the models that came out of the late 1800&#039;s to the mid 1900&#039;s, which is something my professors and I had &lt;i&gt;words&lt;/i&gt; about on more than one occasion.

However, mapping a sociological model takes time.  It takes studies.  Statistics.  Generations of time can be put into a sociological model and it still might not be 100% accurate.  This means that you really can&#039;t say anything about the discipline of sociology to study networks because 95% of the sociology to describe such networked communities is  in the &lt;i&gt;future&lt;/i&gt;.

100 years from now, we may know that a networked community requires &lt;i&gt;hot asian teens&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;male enlargement&lt;/i&gt; to function.  Right now, we just consider that spam.

Back to the original point, computers as tools: the problem with the author&#039;s assertion that computer scientists should use computers as tools to study the effects of networks shows that they really don&#039;t know what computer scientists do for a living.  Computer scientists are the ones that provide the building blocks for computer development, be it a new processor, a new programming language, or a new type of network protocol.  Sometimes they don&#039;t care how their creation is used and could care less about the study of it.

I&#039;m pretty sure that Tim Berners-Lee isn&#039;t leading the crusade against internet porn, despite being the chief inventors of the web browser and server.

It sounds like they want a sociologist with a heavy computer-knowledge background to study the effects of networks on society.  Maybe this person employs some computer scientists to write tools for them, but those scientists, unless they have a proficiency in undertanding sociological data, aren&#039;t going to interpret the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, you could have told me that in Elmo&#8217;s&#8230;.:)</p>
<p>First, let me say that as both a computer scientist and a sociologist (my second, softer discipline I studied while in college), that the statement made in your last paragraph is <i>partially true</i>.  Right now, the sociological models we have are very poor at describing long-distance network-oriented communities.  They&#8217;re still teaching most of the models that came out of the late 1800&#8242;s to the mid 1900&#8242;s, which is something my professors and I had <i>words</i> about on more than one occasion.</p>
<p>However, mapping a sociological model takes time.  It takes studies.  Statistics.  Generations of time can be put into a sociological model and it still might not be 100% accurate.  This means that you really can&#8217;t say anything about the discipline of sociology to study networks because 95% of the sociology to describe such networked communities is  in the <i>future</i>.</p>
<p>100 years from now, we may know that a networked community requires <i>hot asian teens</i> and <i>male enlargement</i> to function.  Right now, we just consider that spam.</p>
<p>Back to the original point, computers as tools: the problem with the author&#8217;s assertion that computer scientists should use computers as tools to study the effects of networks shows that they really don&#8217;t know what computer scientists do for a living.  Computer scientists are the ones that provide the building blocks for computer development, be it a new processor, a new programming language, or a new type of network protocol.  Sometimes they don&#8217;t care how their creation is used and could care less about the study of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Tim Berners-Lee isn&#8217;t leading the crusade against internet porn, despite being the chief inventors of the web browser and server.</p>
<p>It sounds like they want a sociologist with a heavy computer-knowledge background to study the effects of networks on society.  Maybe this person employs some computer scientists to write tools for them, but those scientists, unless they have a proficiency in undertanding sociological data, aren&#8217;t going to interpret the results.</p>
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